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Cooling Towers, Climate Engineering & Hurricane Harvey, Is There A Connection?

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Dane Wigington
GeoengineeringWatch.org

Harvey dropped over 25 TRILLION gallons of water in Texas and Louisiana. The immensity of water volume carried in our warming atmosphere by massive storms like Harvey is truly difficult to even comprehend (over 25 trillion gallons of precipitation). Though power plant cooling towers do create steam clouds under the right conditions, are power plant cooling towers really being covertly used to supply all the moisture for weather systems? Even for hurricanes? Is this even mathematically possible? Deluges and catastrophic floods are increasing all over the globe, what are the primary factors? Numerous activists have requested me to address the facts just mentioned, the 10 minute video below is my reply.

Again, though the water vapor emitted from cooling towers can and does create impressive cloud formations under the right conditions, this is a very different issue than being the primary mechanisms of Earth's atmospheric water vapor generation for fueling storms which is what some are falsely claiming. The primary driver of Earth's hydrological cycle is more evaporation from a warming planet and warming seas (which climate engineering is making worse overall, not better). If power plant cooling towers were a primary (or even significant) source of storm and hurricane moisture, why aren't hurricanes actually forming over land? If "ocean based water vapor machines" are the source of moisture for hurricanes, why has not a single "ocean based water vapor machine" ever been photographed or documented in any way?

GeoengineeringWatch.org reached out to a cooling tower industry expert / contractor for his opinion on this issue, his statement is below:

Cooling towers

Cooling towers do not add excessive amounts of water vapor to the atmosphere, in fact that form of technology has greatly diminished over the last two decades. Evaporative cooling of water to in turn cool machinery has high maintenance costs, looses expensive water and chemical additives, plus is a potential source of Legionaries disease where in many metropolitan areas monthly testing in mandatory.  

Advances in mechanical refrigeration have rendered cooling towers obsolete except in major power plants. New refrigerants that are ozone  friendly, which are also up to 25 percent more efficient in their heat exchange capacity, coupled with larger condensers, micro electronic controls, and advances in compressor technology have replaced evaporative cooling towers in nearly all cases of new buildings and as old towers fail they are either eliminated or replaced with closed loop or just more efficient versions such as dry coolers.  

Having spent over 30 years designing, installing, repairing and maintaining industrial manufacturing and power generation heating and cooling equipment I can state with complete authority, the argument of cooling towers adding significantly to atmospheric moisture is either misinformed, misinformation, or both.

Geoffrey Taylor

Received Mechanical Contractors license in 1982.

Studied Computer Science at Uof Michigan 

Studied Electrical Engineering at Lawerence Technological University 

Was a consultant to the EPA on regulations concerning ozone depleting chemicals in the 1990's.  

The sources who claim "power plant cooling towers are supplying all the moisture for clouds and storms" (even hurricanes over the ocean) often refer to patent # US 20100074390 A1 as proof of their claims.

Patent 1a2

But what is the real purpose of this "vapor generation" patent? The two excerpts below have been taken from the patent in question.

 A cloud for blocking sunlight is formed in the sky from the water vapor jetted to reduce the temperature of the earth surface. This enables a weather modification without discharging any greenhouse gas, e.g., CO2.

How much power is required in order for this patent to even be feasable?

Provided that 10 nuclear fusion reactors each of a 1,000,000-Kw class are arranged, for example, vapor of a volume 10-fold that of each of the nuclear fusion reactors

To more completely understand the total irrelevance of the "vapor generator" patent, another statement from Mechanical Engineering / cooling tower contractor Geoffrey Taylor is below:

In this time of environmental crisis, ideas are crucial, but these ideas must be based on even the most rudimentary laws of physics and common sense.  This is an absolutely absurd patent? Proposition? Word document???

It's pseudo technical language describes nothing more than using Fusion which doesn't exist yet, a test plant may come on line in 20 years, or a standard fission nuclear power plant to generate water vapor combating the suns rays.

First, water vapor is a poor reflector so using it as a basis for the invention is nonsense.

Second, the amount of energy needed for a global envelope of cloud cover is incalculable. One small hurricane produces 6x10to the 14th watts, 200 times the entire world wide power grid. We would have to build tens of thousands of nuclear power plants to maybe deliver enough power. 

Third, to get the steam to the upper atmosphere would require 10 plus thousand feet of pipe 20 foot in diameter. Pushing the weight or "head" of the steam requires more power the higher you go. Water has mass, that is why it falls as rain. As the steam rises into the cooler atmosphere it will cool, condense and run down the pipe.  

Next, Alkaline steam…. Boil water and the impurities stay while the water vapor rises, thats pretty basic. 

Some sources theorize that hundreds of ships armed with fusion power plants and ten thousand foot smoke stacks will be roaming the ocean as well as countless more nuclear plants covering the globe, with their ten thousand foot stacks don't forget.

So much other nonsense can be easily disputed, common sense people. These are dangerous times, think and act with serious purpose.

Are there any existing facilities that have actually been constructed according to this patents design? None known. To be clear, this patent outlines a potential process to create artificial cloud cover, it does not claim the ability to function as a primary water source for producing precipitation.

The fight to expose and halt the climate engineering assault is the most critical battle we face. If we are to have even the slightest chance of prevailing, credibility is crucial. We must all investigate before coming to conclusions in order to ensure any information we share is actually credible.
DW

84 Responses to Cooling Towers, Climate Engineering & Hurricane Harvey, Is There A Connection?

  1. Michael says:

    Misinformation is one of the primary vehicles used by government agencies for the past 60+ years. Agencies are very effective at executing this strategy as they have had many opportunities to practice their craft including UFOs.

    They secure support from noted authors in the field to write articles or books that will later be found to have a fatal factual flaw that will discredit the book and every other one like it. They create experts who become world renowned speakers and researchers on a topic and then at the peak the expert either disappears or is discredited for false research.

    They create fake incidents that mirror the issue they wish to discredit. The fake incidents might be like "crop circles" where they are clearly hiring people to do that and it generates a substantial following of believes. Some time later the facts are exposed and the primary people involved might even confess.

    In fact, the misinformation strategy creates far more data and feedback than the event itself.

    Even if you manage to eliminate any incidents of false believe from legitimate followers, the number of fake and mis-informers will far outweigh the inadvertant or misguided ones from actual members of the group.

    The best way to fight these strategies is to actively de-bunk them as soon as they come up – book published, discredited – event reported, discredited, new incident, discredited, etc.

  2. David Casella Former Aerographers Mate (Weather) U.S Navy says:

    Yes, Kelly P I saw that same video, it appears to be an approaching Squall Line  & Microburst!

  3. Dag says:

    At least for the bulk of 2017 YTD, I've noticed the fluffy, cumulus looking clouds are much lower than normal.  As low as rain clouds, it seems.  When the weather is warm here in the northeast, they're accompanied by a greyish pink haze, even on dry days.  It's definitely not normal.

    I don't know if it's related but a few springs ago we'd have spring thunderstorms, but there would be thunder sounding once every 30 seconds or so, same pitch with less dynamics like a normal thundershower, and very little lightning.  I didn't think of it then but definitely feel like there's experimenting going on. 

  4. helot says:

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  5. Frank says:

    Tuesday 7pm (PHL) and I just got nuked – chemically nucleated that is. A hot, dry day, upper 80's and they came along and knocked it down to 66 with some of that special rain with a little hail mixed in . My hunch is that they are so scared of what will be coming soon that they are on their best behavior to keep us cool.

  6. Joseph L says:

    This is an interesting article..  I wonder if anybody has reached out to all these so called sites that we all post on here about exposing geoengineering.  I know 1st hand that commondreams booted me off of their blog for just mentioning geoengineering.   I find this all disgusting that so called good sites are not open minded to geoengineering.  This is censorship.     We all know that almost all the environmental groups  will not touch geoengineering.   This is the only site that I post on.  Dane you do a marvelous job .

     

    Greenland Is Burning: Wildfires and Floods Surge Worldwide

     

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41815-greenland-is-burning-wildfires-and-floods-surge-worldwide

     

    • Joseph L says:

      My hope is that some of these sites would allow this website into  the discussion on the climate.  This would help to move the ball forward and educate more of the public on geoengineering.

    • Bella_Fantasia says:

      Hello, Joseph L

      For more than five years Truthdig.com has been fully tolerant of my comments which explain geoengineering, allowing links to this site and anything else credible and appropriate. Photos are also permitted.  The recent explosion of comments there has naturally taken in a robust population of trolls, but there are also genuine skeptics and supporters.  Truthout.org had been fairly tolerant, but they've now done away with comments altogether.  Alternet may or may not be a promising forum, but it's worth a try.  AxisofLogic.com  takes geoengineering very seriously.  T J Coles is a columnist there, and his outstanding document "Weather Weapons: The Dark World of Environmental Warfare" is a mainstay of my arsenal of information.  Having a Disqus profile helps (which I keep open specifically so anyone may read the history of my geoengineering comments) but other platforms are generally accepted.  Some allow a person to post as a guest. 

      Join me please in spreading the word!

    • Dennie says:

      I say we all need to go on the CommonDreams.org website and inundate them with the statement that we've heard they have a policy of squelching mention of geoengineering and ask why, since it's a topic that is as plain as daylight and the evidence for it is public information including the U.S.patent.gov website and Congressional record.  Sheesh.  WHO ARE THESE GATEKEEPERS?  But don't tell me– they have to get that paycheck and pension money!!!

  7. BC says:

    Seems the new global government has decided that weather warfare is the means to bring the people of the nations to their collective knees to cause them to come begging for a new global government to fix the rapidly out of control weather that's destroying the planet. As no one nation is capable of modifying the weather it will be projected that only an unelected all powerful body of governance has the right and authority to rule over non democratic institutions and nationhoods in order to bring about the climate transitions and repair necessary. So they that create these weather monstrosities will now have the opportunity to repair the damage and so usher in the new global initiative much to the glee of the duped global masses. I always wondered why they would victimize their own people.

    • wyatt earp says:

      The new Global Government will repair the damage? Do you mean the damage to the Biosphere? If that is what you mean, explain how the damage repair works. Thanks

    • Frank says:

      Your words make me think: why don't they put a nice cat 5 typhoon on good ol' Mr. Un of North Korea, or at least a Hot as Hell high pressure wammer-jammer or maybe ruin his sleep with some earthquakes. No, I guess they don't want to interrupt this drama with their  shenanigans – this show is too important – it's their doorway to WWIII.

    • Lee Eyerman says:

      Harvey,fake weather.Irma,fake weather.The criminals behind these fake storms need to be put in jail forever.Somehow,the Paris Climate change agenda has something to do with these storms.Here in Ohio,the spraying has restarted and people are getting sick again.We have to hope someone,a politician,pilot,scientist anyone who can't sleep knowing we are being exterminated expose this crime.

    • Dennie says:

      @wyatt earp:  I'm pretty sure BC is talking about repairing the damaged infrastructure, buildings, etc.  You can remake society in the image you dreamed of when houses are smashed.  You'll have stack-and-pack 4 and 5 story housing, all crammed together near major freeways and rail lines, and let suburbia rot and return to the wild lands, as in some of the neighborhoods in Detroit after the financial meltdown in 2008.  The idea is to bulldoze suburbia, let it return to wilderness, and pack everyone in multi-unit housing with NO yard, NO park and NO playfields– just garages for the ubiquitous 2-car households.  

  8. Kelly P says:

    Anyone seen this???

    https://youtu.be/Wo8SH_c7RgE

     

    Dane, any comments on this?

  9. orazio says:

    hello to everyone, alive near American military bases.
    The nearest is 10km from my home.
    contains tactical atomic headings.
    there are so many chemical sciences generated by aircraft and then the chemical clouds that form.
    some days the sky is all covered.
    possible that a few crazy criminal assassins continue to destroy the planet and people still do not rebel?
    here in Italy many know, but we can not make a compact front, and say no to geoengineering.
    Those who know and do nothing is complicit with these assassins.
    how do you stay indifferent? what value do we give to our lives?
    do we want to remain humane by breathing clean air, drinking and eating natural foods without the need for vaccines and those technologies that are actually killing us slowly?
    Or do we want to be a continuous experiment then to become who knows what?
    I'm not there. We are human beings and as such we have to respect the rules of nature. We must leave a cleaner world for those who will come.
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  10. Christina says:

    We have also had no summer in the UK.  This happened in the past but this time I have noticed the trees they look seriously ill.  The leaves have  turned brown already.  The plants I grew this year have all failed due to lack of Sun.  The only plant doing fairly well are my runner beans.  This is madness. Why cannot people see what is happening.  They are spraying the sky and below everything is dying.  On Sunday it was so bad it was like soup in the sky and the chemical smell was so strong it burnt my throat.  I take my dog out but do not know what chemicals are around that may affect him running around.  It is so sad.  If the population woke up at once we would all go mad, it would be mayhem and violence.

  11. Sally says:

    The air quality in the Bay Area is complete CRAP now! I cannot even go outside without fear of an asthma attack. Lord help us all…

    • Ashleigh says:

      It's absolutely horrible! I have never seen it so bad before. All the mountains in Pacifica are so hazy. And the sunsets over the ocean are so colorfully TOXIC! 

    • Dennie says:

      My two Larkspur violin students told me this afternoon that there were kids in their classroom who couldn't breathe on Friday last week, it was so hot in Corte Madera/Larkspur in Marin County.  It was unnaturally humid, and still hot today. and it's still hot tonight. This has got to be because of the methane blanketing the planet.  And still, the "smartest guys in the world," the scientists, can't figure this out, at all.  JUST.  STOP.  SPRAYING US!!!

  12. Ty says:

    Has anyone on the east coast noticed that since March 2017, we have rain all through the summer? Most odd weather this year as the temperature in Toronto barely made it over 30. Usually in July it will hit 40 – 42 Celcius. We had no summer this year all rain and overcast.

    • Blue Sue says:

      Ditto here in South Central Alaska (Anchorage and Matanuska Valley) — like you said,"no summer this year, all rain and overcast." 

      Yesterday we had a brief respite from the gray, but with the usual heavy spraying, today it's windy and raining sideways.  

  13. horsegirl says:

    We are experiencing a sore terror with the building nanoparticulate in the sky.  Namely that during the afternoon when the nanoparticulate is most illuminated from sunlight, vision is extremely bad. I think I'm going blind every day.  Then as day declines, color and light and shadow comes back.  Vision improves.  How about that?  Shouldn't it be the other way around?  My best vision is after sundown when the airborne weapons are no longer significantly affecting the quality of light.  I'm not sure this is even intelligible.  Let alone whether anyone else experiences the effect.  If so I'd like to hear from you.  Sheer terror of losing my eyesight every day.  Five days ago I was able to read books by daylight.  Lately it has been almost impossible.  Is it my eyes, or is it the bizarre lighting effect of nanoparticulate in the sky?  Someone a while ago stated that one should not even look at such skies, that there is risk of losing eyesight. 

    • John P Sangregorio says:

      I too have been having problems with my vision.  With all the Nano particulates floating around in the sky.  My eyes have been very dry and the tissue around my eyes very inflamed and red.  I have no doubt that this is caused by all the spraying of our skies.  Warm compresses seem to help a bit.

    • horsegirl says:

      Follow-up:  The sun has gone down.  I can see a thousand times more detail in my husband's face.  Detail emerges in my surroundings.  Such is the power of the nano-weapon occupying the sky this afternoon.  The last few afternoons, every day has found me worrying about blindness at about the same time of day – later afternoon.  There is a cacophony of splintered light in the atmosphere.  Aluminized light or whatever it is.  The light cast inside this bright kitchen by the nano-filth destroys vision.  They have, by intention or blunder, weaponized sunlight by distortion.  I find myself awaiting sunset so I can see again.  How perverse is that?

    • Bless your heart and your eyes, horsegirl. I never look directly at the Sun anymore. Too painful. Are you going outside? In this milky haze filth? Who knows what is in this toxic soup anymore. Lithium, yes, and aluminum, yes. But perhaps bacterial, nanoparticles in fungi… If you can do so, don't spend time outside anymore and try to filter the air in your home. Yes, keep windows closed. Crazy I know. This is always the best time of year…Indian summer. But no more. Have you tried applying the 10ppm colloidal silver gently around your eyelids with a Qtip. It might help. I use this maybe three times a day. Stay inside. Fight them. God loves us! 

    • GretchenThomas says:

      I have blue eyes which are more sensitive to light/UV radiation, and always wear either sunglasses or a wide-brim visor for protection while outdoors. Since we are being bombarded with dangerous levels of  UV B, suggest all do the same.

    • r k says:

      Susan has good advice. I also use liquid MSM for eyedrops as well as colloidal silver. The Happy Body Store is a good source for MSM.

  14. horsegirl says:

    Dane, thanks for this presentation.  There is an aspect to the assault on our skies about which I don't recall much discussion.  To first quote from page six of the 1996 Air Force manifesto Weather as a Force Multiplier:  Owning the Weather by 2025:

    Other low-intensity applications might include the alteration and/or use of near space as a medium to enhance communications, disrupt active or
    passive sensing, or other purposes.   In conducting the research for this study, the broadest possible interpretation of weather-modification was initially embraced, so that the widest range of opportunities available for our military in 2025 were thoughtfully considered.

    Page 21 yields the following, much of which is related to surveillance and communications:

    A number of methods have been explored or proposed to modify the ionosphere, including injection of  chemical vapors and heating or charging via electromagnetic radiation or particle beams (such as ions,neutral particles, x-rays, MeV particles, and energetic electrons). 27
      It is important to note that many techniques to modify the upper atmosphere have been successfully demonstrated experimentally.  Ground based modification techniques employed by the FSU include vertical HF heating, oblique HF heating,microwave heating, and magnetospheric modification.   Significant military applications of such operations
    include low frequency (LF) communication production, HF ducted communications, and creation of an artificial ionosphere

    May I request an examination of what is being done towards communications and surveillance in some future presentation?

    When we first investigated the spraying in Mexico when we lived there during 2008, someone employed in security/think tank work said a lot of the nanoparticulate fields were for the purpose of surveillance.

    Because it has been our observation, living along the Mexican-US border, that since the latest presidential installation took place, a fog blankets the region which does not seem to be related to weather.  We surmise that it s purpose may be for surveillance.  Every day for the past six months it's looked about the same, as pictured by a webcam a few miles from our erstwhile ranch:  http://www.the-webcam-network.com/webcam/USA/Elfrida-Arizona/12870.html

    I realize everyone else has lately been treated to skies like this, but in six months this webcam has been pretty much the same.  This is why we short-sold our property and ran.  This material has been very detrimental to my healing eyesight.  I have been using homeopathic treatments for what seem to be new cataract growth and am appalled at what this must be doing to us all.  I fear I may be going blind.  If you can sometime give a discourse on the aspects besides weather modification it would be greatly appreciated.

     

  15. Jed Davis says:

    Very timely video, people need to stick to the facts. I'm so tired of this insanity. People are so dumbed-down these days.

  16. Alexander Tierney says:

    Little ditty:-

    Geoengineering's like opening the freezer door,

    the place gets cooler then hotter than before.

    • Frank says:

      Here's another one –
      Geoengineering's like modern medicine,
      they have a pill for everything –
      but you end up more screwed up than when you started.

  17. orazio says:

    Hello Dane, and all the good friends of the mind, united to make the triumph of truth and justice.
    It’s an epic battle for the conservation of the planet and all living things.
    Thursday morning I have printed some photos and your website on large billboards advertised around two courtyards and a sticker behind the car windows.
    I have two terrains that overlook the streets, and I put them there, so people when they drive with cars can read it and see your website. Good luck to all of us.

    • Pedro says:

      Hello Orazio.

      Very good effort from you, Those Actions are very important and needed.

      Thank you.

      Pedro.

  18. Frank says:

    I awoke to Good Morning America's coverage of the continuing Harvey story, and the growing wildfires in MT and Ca, specifically L.A. I was just to a Labor Day party yesterday. Most people do not know ANYTHING, much less the connections.

    Your message of documented, converging catastrophes brought me into the fold, and continues to be my most effective rap. Please stay on target and avoid the temptation to address the distraction-mongers. We are in ground zero NOW. We must stay on track.

  19. concerned citizen says:

    thanks for clearing up the confusion on this issue

  20. Dennie says:

    I'm glad to see this cooling tower disinformation campaign getting nipped in the bud. I really don't see how anyone in their right mind could possibly calculate that itty bitty little trucks like the TM 65 decontamination unit or a couple of power plant cooling towers could somehow output enough water vapor to cause large storms– sheesh, just think about it a little bit– goodness!  It's a whole lot like the F.E.M.A. "concentration" camps urban legend that says there are lots of camps being built out in the country that will be used to incarcerate innocent citizens who've done nothing other than to happen to be alive during a time when their government is breaking down, that everyone's mailbox has been marked with either a red, blue or yellow sticker and that they will be rounded up in transport trucks exactly like all the Jews who got hauled off in roundups (as if history exactly repeats– no, but it does rhyme, ha!), at 4 a.m. then will be used to perform forced labor, or re-educated, or immediately killed and incinerated.  Oh, and some will be ground into sausage or dog food.  So, um, where are all these camps?  Because I need to see the pictures.  

    • Rachel Robson says:

      Thank you Dennie for apparently some much needed sanity over an issue that completely by-passed me.  Yet not one mention is all of this of our five rivers of water in our upper atmosphere.  Given a much warmer Earth, not just warmer but much warmer, why the heck did this weak rumor get going?  Glad to hear you dis the freak out over the FEMA camps rumors too, which in my experience, though limited, is the forte of the crack addicted!  Facts people, facts!

    • GretchenThomas says:

      Suppose, for the sake of argument, the mere fact that Wikipedia has labeled FEMA camps "conspiracy theory" should indicate debunking efforts to divide and confuse the population.

      Further investigation on my part reveals Operation Garden Plot and Rex 84, plans for closing military bases to use as holding facilities for whoever they were rounding up, and Army plans and policy for interment and civilian inmate labor in prison camps on Army installations.

      Knowing what I know to be true about our so-called "government's" fraud, lies of omission, felonies and treason, and the evil intentions of the shadow government et al, does it really surprise anyone that elaborate plans have been made for when shit hits the fan? We know "government" agencies are stockpiling hollow point bullets, what's far-fetched about a plot to herd people into holding facilities? That's what the psychopaths that control everything do best, connive and conspire to maintain control by whatever treacherous means necessary.

      http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/military-intervention-in-civil-disturbances/#

      FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: LOCATIONS AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS  http://www.altnews.info/fema-concentration-camps/

      Conspiracy? Yes. Theory? You decide…

       

    • Melanie Moran says:

      Walmart Updates September 2017 America Needs To See This

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsPl0C-pgwI&t=321s

      Unbelievable! people Evacuated to Walmart/Evacuation Center

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3dgjqW2T5c

    • Rachel Robson says:

      Gretchen, You do, of course have a point well made.  I guess what bothers me is how very quickly people jump to the most awful thing they can think of when that may not be the case, not that our military is cuddly or cute.  Given that our military basically destroyed Earth, I envision many peoples' anger when it final f-ingly dawns on them if ever. And from wide reading from around the world, it seems highly possible that many millions will try to make it to America, especially as Europe shuts its doors.  And that would include diseases.  Heck, we could run out of water, God Forbid, and hence have our own 'third world' health issues. which may include diseases that come with and bugs and such that come with a very warm equator from which all critters and peoples are fleeing both north and south.  The military likes to pride itself on being prepared.  They should know-having cause the harms and the hatred just what all to prepare for!  Off loading military gear is one way to get rid of depleted uranium contaminated gear.  Spread it around, not unlike coal fly ash.  Plus, bonus!, makes room for fancy new gear since they have all the money to spend, and they will spend like 'girls' far beyond necessity. Instead of the United States of America, given how very un-united we are, how about the Armed States of America?  Kelly is apparently trying to rein in Trump before Kim Jong Un nukes us!  California could get hit.  What then?  Don't get me wrong, I do not like military in general, much less the bloated bully it's become.  But I also do not appreciate people upping the anti with every nightmare of a scenario they imagine fact.  As if everything on the net, or even on Wikipedia-and I love Wikipedia, but it is not pluperfect knowledge.  But it tries!  And invites people to pile on. I guess I just bristle at the rush to judgment.  I believe the military knows damn good and well what they have done and what is therefore coming, and so planning for every and all scenarios.  They do love spending OUR money!  Boys and their toys….sigh.  There, now I've dissed both women and men.  The military does not care what gender or degree of, their cannon fodder is anymore. 

    • Dennie says:

      The second video was removed.  The first one shows a Walmart Disaster Relief Team van, apparently.  We have Janet Napolitano coming on the news announcing that Walmart has now become an adjunct branch of national defense, so now we have corporations running essentially a private military– how good an idea is this one?

  21. Sedwick says:

    I served in the US military during the 1980's. For what it's worth, I can attest to the fact that the Soviets employed decontamination units such as the TMS-65 during that era. The strategic importance of the Fulda Gap, along with the threat of potential nuclear, biological, and chemical (NBC) warfare were very much the topic of the times. US military personnel were expected to memorize, and recognize upon sight, Soviet (Warsaw Pact) equipment and aircraft. Tons of paper and miles of film were dedicated to that end. Such training included Soviet decontamination (decon) techniques, to include units such as the TMS-65.

    • Rachel Robson says:

      Sedwick, Well, that is more than I did know!  But, how does this thing decontaminate a person?  How do they decontaminate nuclear?  And the others?  Did they teach that?  Would you have trusted it?

  22. paula M says:

    I really admired his honesty, it takes real courage to do the right thing these days…  Thank you Dane…

  23. marc says:

    Watched Kevin Shipp's presentation again from Redding. Corruption and deception. Is that not what we're dealing with? So let me see if I've got this right: our shadow government, which includes at least 17 surveillance and security agencies, KNOWS that the overwhelming majority of what they do is immoral, unethical, illegal, and unconstitutional, yet they happily do it anyway. Otherwise, other than attempts to safeguard their secretive operations and thus their gravy train, why the hell would whistleblowers like Kevin Shipp be considered any kind of threat? It is precisely BECAUSE they know that what they do is, by any other definition, WRONG! So their threats of prosecution (or worse) is because the release of whistleblower information is not just a threat to "national security," it threatens blowing the lid off their illegal, unconstitutional, and very WRONG game.The very reason our government hasn't come completely clean to the American public about geoengineering is precisely BECAUSE they know on a fundamental human psychological level that what they're doing is WRONG. And every f**ked up agenda wrapped up inside geoengineering is also wrong and they f**king know it. This is an important point. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. And if they came out and told us point blank that countless trillions of nano-bots have been released over the US and our very bodies and brains will soon be absolutely under their control with the wonderful added feature that they didn't forget to install a kill-switch technology then I would say "how nice of you guys to tell us" but it's still wrong, diabolical and just plain idiotic.  

      In point of fact, I am convinced this IS undeniably part and parcel of one of their agendas. Surveillance and control on a functional level beyond human comprehension, and if the only way to pull it off is to deliver countless trillions of nano-microprocessors into the environment and thus into the human body/brain, then our fate is sealed.                                                                                                         And the fact there are tens of thousands of human beings willing to routinely commit these endless wrongs to not only themselves, but to their families, friends, parents, indeed, all life on earth, is a testament to what a failed species we are. For a species with our kind of spiritual potential to mire itself in filth and deception and exploitation and all manner of other unspeakable atrocities in the context of government and/or deep state, is just absolutely f**king incredible. But is this really all that different than what we know to be happening in the general population?? Sometimes I confess I actually wonder if our extinction is really the worse-case scenario after all.

    • GretchenThomas says:

      These are some sick SOBs we're dealing with! 

    • Larry says:

       Well said !! After watching Danes video of the BRAVE ex CIA WHISTLEBLOWER It confirms what I already knew and  I have very little hope that anything will change because it is all too deep and entrenched  into our society then add the stupid skeptics and the general dumbing down of the people and here we are. This is a great site with many very intelligent speakers and followers with Dane at the top of the list in my opinion but still we that know the truth are still to small in number to stop the Lunatics at the helm of all this madness.  We the people have the power but modern technology will covertly spin and silence any attempt to bring change . O we can still try ,and pray and think positive to effect an awakening but ,"THEY" will not let it happen as they are masters of distraction and delusion. With that incredibly long winded rant over I will still try to wake up as many folks as possible before it's too late

  24. Earth Angel says:

    FYI- Reporting from North Georgia:They were busy lining the sky with trails today. Both long lingering plumes and the short bright faster dispersal type. My guess is they are setting up to pull 'hurricane Irma' up the eastern coast. It has also become unseasonably cool here for late summer so they could be artificially ice nucleiating too.

  25. nobodies fool says:

    A bit more of the Times, the leisure and arts section features an article about Justin Guariglia, who" got stuck on a gondola ride with a  climate change denier". Mr. Guariglia has tatooed a graph of the earth's surface temps over the last 136 years onto his right forearm. The Times chooses to call Mr. Guariglia part of a "fairly recent movement that could be called environmental anxiety art." Uncle Freud to the rescue. The rest of the article explores technics, nothing more. The rest of the section features two articles on female musicians, good-news distractions, ending with a tribute to  Isreali athletes killed in ''72, What a bunch of tools these "writers" are. Tools? See Peter Murphy, "Studs, Tools, and The Family Jewels: Metaphors Men Live By. " I understand deeply how shocking and difficult it must be for some of you to experience the denials , marginalizations, evasions, devaluations,and deviancy- accusations which knowing these truths exposes you to, perhaps for the first time in your life. All minorities, including the largest planetary minority, women ( minority now defined as disempowered groups, not numbers) are quite accustomed to this since birth. It must be shocking to suddenly become like us. 

    • Rachel Robson says:

      nobodies fool, Hello and I'm still laughing!  Thank you SO much for much needed humor for me!  "got stuck on a gondola ride with a climate change denier"–took me 5 minutes to get past that I laughed so hard.  the rest you wrote was just as funny and too true.  I needed that.

    • Tanya says:

      Yes, thank you nobodies fool. Wonderfully well written.

  26. nobodies fool says:

    The Sat-Sunday International edition of The New York Times, Sept. 2-3, 2017: Lead article: "Storm Shifts the political winds in Washington, Hurricane transforms critics of  spending into proponents". This article  goes on to make it very, very clear : "In swamping large swaths of Texas and Louisiana, Hurricane Harvey also forged a new reality for  President Trump and the republicans governing Washington. " …the Storm has utterly transformed the federal fiscal picture." Same old war-for -profit reality. "…Mr. Trump and congressional leaders may find that a devastating storm has provided them the common cause that has proved so elusive after their failure to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act."  Near the end of the long article which is continued on page five, under the "Houston is awash in a hazardous brew" article, we read:" The storm-driven congressional budget reassessment is already underway. Before Hurricane Harvey, House Republicans were planning  to vote in the coming week on a spending bill that would have shifted nearly $876 million away from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. That plan is now out the window, and lawmakers are instead focused on funneling more money toward FEMA."  I don't need to explain to any of the intelligent people here what this is all saying. Page seven takes us deeper, as we read the headline that "Trump reverses rule aimed at pay equality", a rule that strangely did not go into effect for two years after passage. Right. But the real ball-buster is the Tech Fix article by Brain X Chen, titled"Smatphone's future: Look into the camera." Here are some excerpts: " When shopping for furniture, you can point your phone camera at your living room floor and place a virtual rendering of a coffee table down to see how it looks and move around and peek underneath." Wow, "peek underneath", that'll distract any warm-blooded mammal raised in a culture of eroticism, right? "Next month, Apple plans to hold a special event to introduce a set of new iPhones, including a premium model that can scan 3-D objects – including your face. …Mr. Jacobowitz added that emerging camera technologies would be the key to stronger security features and applications for so-called augmented reality, which uses data to  digitally manipulate the physical world when people look through a smartphone lens. ….., the company will introduce infrared facial recognition as a new method for unlocking the device.  How would the new iPhone do that exactly? Apple declined to comment…..Because of the uniqueness of a persons' head shape, the likelihood of bypassing facial recognition with the incorrect face is 1 in a million, he added. ……It's no secret that Apple is bullish about augmented reality….included support for applications made with ARKit…ARKit uses a combination of the iPhone's camera and motions sensors…to let people lay digital objects on top of the real world and interact with them with precise movements. …All the tech giants are betting big on augmented reality. For years, Microsoft has been developing HoloLens, an augmented -reality headset. In April, Facebook announced Camera Effects Platform, an environment for software developers to build augmented-reality apps for Facebook….Google recently unveiled ARCore …. in response to Apple's ARKit."  My thoughts on this?  Soon, crimes will be "committed" and  visibly blamed on holographic images of known dissidents. This is where this is going. I don't own a phone, and this is making so much difficult for me, because possession of a phone is now considered to be an identification process and necessity. This was instituted by the banks on June 20.  Non-participation as a tactic of defiance remains  a choice only insofar as one is not subjected to public imaging by both individuals taking photos without permission, this is constant these days, or by "security" systems.  

    • BaneB says:

      nobodies fool:  Thanks for the update/insights into the latest looming cell phone technology.  I have a cell phone.  It's an absolute necessity where I live.  Do I wish I had never heard of technology?  Yes.  And that includes the microwave-of-everything, too.  

  27. tony smario says:

    Thanks for the clarity, Dane.  you didn't bring it up specifically in your video, but as i have listened to the 'ground based water vapor' meme, i am struck by two facts…
    First, the satellite photos they use, even over land, often show cloud formations half the size of the state they originate in, and i have asked whether anyone has bothered to take video WHILE such an undeniable cloud is being formed that you can see it from space covering half the state.  the proportion is clearly off between what they show on the ground and what they claim from the satellite footage.
    Second.  the point of the FEAR MONGERING that the ground based water vapor meme is apparently meant to convey, as repeated BY EACH OF THE SHILLS is, 'the natural weather has COLLAPSED'…and, 'all weather is man made'…
    I have been following your commentaries from the beginning, as we hail from the same area.  keep up the good work.

  28. Joseph L says:

    Thank you for this report.  The whole planet seems to be getting worse by the day.   Wildfires are everywhere and hurricane harvey etc. I study nuclear power and have for over 20 years and now focus on getting the word out  about geoengineering.  When will people wake up if not now then when.

    Here is a link from abc news today

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/heat-fires-bake-us-west-holiday-weekend-49592573

       I hope everyone has a beautiful  Labor Day

    Fires burning up and down the Sierra Nevada and further to the northwest cast an eerie yellow and gray haze over much of California, and much of the state was under alerts because of poor air quality.

    California authorities ordered evacuation for a third small town Sunday in one of the wildfires, a blaze that has burned 9-square-miles (23 square kilometers) near Yosemite National Park.

       Dane  I have been to your location in the 70s and 80s and hiked and camped On Mt Shasta  and Castle Crags.  I have good memories but not the way you speak of that area now.   New  York where I am on long island was in the 50s yesterday and now 69

  29. Susan Ferguson says:

    SF: This is the area where Dane lives, Redding, the Klamath Mountains, and Medford OR. The intensifying smoke from NASA Worldview Sept.3, 2017.

    https://go.nasa.gov/2gE4U7Z

    • Rachel Robson says:

      Oh Susan,  I so feared this.  Much of our family is in Oregon, especially nearish Medford and in the Klamath Mountains, as is my oldest grandson on the 5 acres he bought this year.  There is no way to reach him.  No Wifi.  His property abuts a National Forest and was previously heavily logged.  He tells me about the house he wants to build, but as yet, has no water supply.  And that boy-young man actually, is slow-not mentally, physically.  When he talks of his future there, and wanting me there with him, I just don't know what to say.  He knows good and well all about geoengineering, and yet?  Not to mention my talks of wildfires.  Luckily, his nearest neighbor is a retired, high up the chain, military dude whose best friend? is Colin Powell?!!!!  I can't wait to meet This man!  Who has lived there for years and is being good to my grandson, slowly sharing stories.  My one calm in this is knowing an able bodied adult is there!  But, there is more and more family all through that area.  Sigh. Of course I want no harm to come to Dane and his.  But I know he can take care of business.  Grandson is probably freaking out.  He says his house will be finished in 3 years.  That is where I don't know what to say.  Guess this is saying it for me.  Slapping him upside the head with some reality.  The whole family is aware, but does not study, gets on my case for being "obsessed", prioritizing it above all else.  As if I want to rain on everyone's parade.  Ex military dude has a ham radio.  I tried to tell grandson about bolt holes.  Think his idea of a bolt hole is running to this guy's place.  Never thought I'd be grateful for a retired military whiz guy. But I am, and curious too!  Time to pray!!!

    • Dennie says:

      Prayer is a mental habit.  Like a frequency on a radio station.  

      TUNE IN.  Prayer is FREE.  "You only pay when you don't pray."  

      So get in the habit.  And I'm not saying you need to be a nun to pray between all your random "chattering monkey" thoughts.  

      TRAIN YOUR MIND, people– just USE it, and pray between the lines.  It cannot hurt.  You don't need a "middle man" to do this. So, now, let's get GOING!

  30. Susan says:

    Oregon is burning up and the index is at 420 in Eugene right now  HAZARDOUS!   Why won't people wake up?   It pains me to see what is coming down the pike.  I have been working to open peoples eyes for so many years now.  These fires are chemically based.   I am at a loss and right now I am in tears looking our my art studio window.  All neatly planned.   It should fold with psychopaths like David Keith, Al Fucking Gore, and the military war machine in the drivers seat.  Thank you for letting me vent here, Dane.

  31. Linda Lee from Sirius B says:

    Dane & Kevin Shipp:  Cannot thank you enough for the information given.  It helped me understand the trauma/stress my father underwent in AF as a pilot during WWII, w/ top secret clearances….our whole family seemed "under surveillance" and it was felt.  May we support "Constitutionalists" in every possible way.  The information was powerful, depressing, and so necessary if we are to live in a "new 5D blossoming Earth."  God bless the whistle-blowers and our country and people, and all souls of light everywhere as we strive to live with greater purity/peace/honesty and exposure of truth and threats to our well-being.  And may special blessings surround Dane and Kevin as we go forward.  

  32. Chris says:

    I just asked a young wetlands park officer why we don't see cumulus clouds anymore. He asked what are cumulus clouds? lol poor guy.

  33. Dee says:

    Hi, I have been helping victims of Hurricane Harvey. As I was trying to help to save people who were about  to drown; I somehow came across your information. Can you imagine my horror at reading all of this? As I am hearing first hand what is happening to them during the hurricane.  The flooding, re flooding; the evacuations, the new evacuations as more water fell down on them.  I am so torn, not wanting to believe that someone would do this to women, children, the disabled, the elderly but having no choice but to believe.

    I don't understand how anyone could do this to their fellow humans.  People are suffering so much right now. I cry every time I hear that someone has been rescued. Now I am angry for those people. What can we do? I there anything that can be done? I am very afraid that Irma is on its way to hurt more people.

    • Nina Marrocco says:

      I know what you're saying Dee and it is Demonic indeed Crime's agains't humanity if you look back in history there have been many, unfortunately the same Demonic ruling elite still rule today and they won't stop here.

    • Jeanette S says:

      First of all, Dee, thank you for what you are doing down there. Until the dust/rain settles, let us take care of this end. When the sun shines again, I hope you will join us. You all in the gulf are in our prayers. Take care.

    • Julie Phelps says:

      Hi Dee 

      Well done for helping others that is something that makes us completely different from those who commit these crimes against our whole planet. Sorry you have had such a shock rude awakening. 

      For me it was observation and knowledge of aircraft that made me search for anything on this subject. I am ex military RAF so I know there is something very wrong when I see the skies filled with fake contrails otherwise know as chemical trails. These are NOT created by normal aviation fuel. However at least you know the truth. 

      Dane is right about what he states it is not just the hurricane it is everything that is going on. This site is very good for explaining the current situation. 

      I  wish you all well and hope clean up happens fast in your area. I have been through a number of floods myself.

    • Carol says:

      Somehow share the information you have now. Hopefully we will send these devils back to hell where they belong.

    • Sedwick says:

      Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Sadly, humanity has no shortage of freaks and psychopaths in its gene pool. I submit five thousand years of recorded history for your perusal.

    • Dee Ernst says:

      Thank you all for your kind replies. My husband has been watching taping the chem trails for many years. I'm just now learning about the devastation, destruction they are causing. During Hurricane Harvey, I've also come across terrible fires in CA and wondering if that's another way to destroy us.  It also seem it's very difficult to match those in need to donations of food, water, supplies. It's beginning to work for the small towns though many still need help. Rockport, Port Arthur, Beaumont  etc

      Thank you again for the wonderful words of support

  34. Adam says:

    Hi great video,

    however you say when referring to a water vapor generator, "such a machine has never been photographed" i dug up this video from BBC of exactly what i think youre looking for in action. Granted, i do not know of locations of a machine like this within the US or applications in a storm herein, CHECK THIS VIDEO OUT PLEASE would love to hear your opinion

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5KgYFvsW0c

    • Dane Wigington says:

      Hello Adam, the video you have posted is the exact rocket engine testing facility that I addressed in our video (and it is in the US). Yes, some clouds are created from the rocket engine testing, but this cloud cover contains only a minimal amount of H20. Further, this facility is not designed, used, or capable of any larce scale weather modification.

  35. Pedro says:

    Dane, thank you for another great info!

    Now, without the Ozone layer in a World where UV rays will contribute dramatically for the increase of temperatures of the Oceans, eternal storms and hurricanes are a promise from the MFs. Only if a country is  "good" and OBEDIENT ( and not "over-crowded" ), their population will not get a storm over their heads..

    The COWARDS!!

  36. Susan Ferguson says:

    SF: Thank you, Dane! This video is another great example of irrefutable evidence from you. This report is from The Indian Express:
    NASA rockets to create glowing artificial clouds, and here’s why
    A NASA rocket mission is set to form white artificial clouds that will glow in the night sky, to study disturbances in the upper atmosphere that interfere with communication and technology systems.
    By: PTI | Washington | August 24, 2017
    A NASA rocket mission is set to form white artificial clouds that will glow in the night sky, to study disturbances in the upper atmosphere that interfere with communication and technology systems. The artificial clouds will be visible to residents of the Republic of the Marshall Islands during two rocket flights to occur between August 29 and September 9, the US space agency said. The Waves and Instabilities from a Neutral Dynamo (WINDY) mission will study a phenomenon that occurs in the ionosphere – a layer of charged particles in the upper atmosphere. Known as equatorial spread F (ESF) these disturbances occur after sunset at latitudes near the equator in part of the ionosphere known as the F region. The disturbances interfere with radio communication, navigation and imaging systems and pose a hazard to technology and society that depends on it. The WINDY mission consists of two NASA suborbital sounding rockets that will be launched nearly simultaneously in a window between 8 and 11 pm local time from August 29 through September 9 from the island of Roi-Namur . The Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands is near the magnetic equator, where post-sunset ionosphere storms are more intense, making the site an ideal location for these studies, NASA said. One rocket will carry a substance called tri-methyl aluminium (TMA), which will form the white artificial clouds that glow in the night sky. Scientists on the ground photograph the movement of these clouds to measure the winds and energetic particles that are in motion in the upper atmosphere. The clouds are expected to be visible for about 30 minutes. The first rocket launched, a two-stage 47-foot long Black Brant IX rocket, will carry and release both TMA and lithium. The release of the lithium vapours is not visible to the naked-eye but can be viewed with special cameras on the ground. Both TMA and lithium, which are harmless to residents on the ground when released at these altitudes, move with the atmospheric winds and can therefore be used to determine the wind speeds and direction over the area where these ionosphere storms are occurring. TMA reacts spontaneously on contact with oxygen to produce a pale white glow visible from the ground. For the WINDY mission, sunlight reflected by the Moon, will illuminate lithium producing an emission that can be detected with cameras equipped with narrow-band filters. Using moonlight allows the launches to occur later in the evening when the critical ESF conditions occur. The second rocket, a two-stage 36-foot long Terrier- Malemute, will be launched five minutes after the first rocket. It will carry instruments to measure ionosphere densities and electric and magnetic fields present in these storms. The ionosphere is defined as the layer of Earth’s atmosphere that is ionised by solar and cosmic radiation. Ionisation occurs when incoming energetic radiation strips electrons from atoms and molecules, creating temporarily charged particles.
    http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/science/nasa-rockets-to-create-glowing-artificial-clouds-and-heres-why-4811770/

    • BaneB says:

      SF:  it's all about warfare.  Communications for who? You?  Me?  And one has gotta love the no health risk pronouncement.  Ever notice…..tobacco smoking second hand….but no problem with aluminum  and lithium clouds that eventually drift down to earth.  A little of this and that, they increase tolerances levels when it suits their perfidy.  These psychopaths are screwing over our ionosphere.  If there are disturbances, NASA probably cause it.  And if none they will create some where none ever existed.  These are the same ones with over amped curiosity and a fat paycheck who are involved in Pentagon programs to control the global weather systems.  Here I sit sweltering in over 100 degrees of heat, with smoke from fires so thick I can hardly breathe.  And for sure I am putting the cause for the incredible summer from hell on these idiots who just have to play God.  Thanks for this information.  As we recall, the same damned experiment was carried out over Wallops Island, Virginia a couple of months ago.

    • Joseph L says:

      Thank you Susan for this report.
        The Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands is near the magnetic equator, where post-sunset ionosphere storms are more intense, making the site an ideal location for these studies, NASA said
      Marshall Islands are all contaminated from U.S. nuclear testing.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/bikini-atoll-nuclear-test-60-years
      Marshall Islanders unable or unwilling to return to traditional home, scene of huge US hydrogen bomb test in 1954

    • Earth Angel says:

      Oh no, the poor inhabitants of the Marshall Islands get it again. Didn't the US war machine already bomb the crap out of them testing nukes during WW2?!  My God, why can't they just leave poor peace loving folks around the world alone? This makes me cringe to be an American. I want people around the world to know I do not claim this military and their actions as representing ME… NO WAY!!!  The abhorrent spray programs poisoning all life on earth, the messes created by meddling in middle eastern and other nations business, the murders of their heads of state and innocent people's lives taken and ruined, their nukes in the oceans for practice; killing millions of innocent sea creatures, DU dirty bombs on the land contaminating EVERYTHING around them- including their OWN soldiers unfortunate enough to be deployed there (see Capt. Joyce Riley's "Beyond Treason" documentary if you haven't yet), and on, and on, ad nauseum. I say you are NOT my military; I will not claim your actions. However: As Dane so often says, this is not aimed at the people who enter (and who have served) the armed service with honorable intentions who are unaware of what they then are used for. But for heaven's sake- PLEASE wake up, look around at what you are doing and STOP FEEDING the beast.

    • Pedro says:

      Hello Mrs SF.

      The pseudoscience have developed another pretext to spray new pollutants into the atmosphere. When will they stop?,
      – when the Atmosphere vanish.

  37. Cori Gunnells says:

    Dane, thank you for taking the time to explain, document/detail, and show examples why the assertions so many are speaking of and circulating/sharing, are false and damaging to the credibility of the anti-geoengineering movement. I can't imagine anyone who is a serious activist, or seeker of truth, who would not be grateful to have this (short video explanation) available to them, not only to increase their own understanding, but also to have something (to share as a tool) to help others understand as well. Our goal as activists, serious activists, should  be about nothing more than our 'end-goal' of exposing and stopping geoengineering. We'll accomplish that only with the credibility that comes from careful research and verifiable facts – insistence on it. This is life-or-death serious, and not something to take lightly or as a part-time pastime where friendships and membership alliance with clubs/groups or ideology is more important. People might lose 'friends' when they insist on solid evidence, but they won't lose their own solace or identity as someone who truly wanted to bring geoengineering to a stop. Thank you for taking the time to produce such an easy understandable, and helpful piece. 

  38. Blue Sue says:

    Thank you Dane. Excellent rebuttal to the lies.  God Bless. 

  39. Wanda Allen says:

    Thanks Dane for addressing this issue. As if we don't have a hard enough time fighting the "chemtrail" term additional sensationalism to an already uphill battle just further inhibits anyone with credibility from coming forward. Thanks for sticking with the facts.

  40. Marla Stair-Wood says:

    Thank you for speaking to this issue, Dane! I received the video you share clips from several times last week. I'll use your video to answer. It is very important, as you say, to know what you're posting before posting it! 

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